And templeijah, seriously...you've gotta stop. The craziness of you, Lars, and a couple others makes me embarrassed for you...
Christ Alone
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"9/11 was in fact....an Attack on Jehovah's Organization!!"
by RagingBull ingood day,.
this week is the super special week of activity with one of our favorite jw celebrities...the circuit overseer!!!.
in last night's talk, he gave sooooo much encouragement...just hearing him made me want to fall to my knees and worship him!
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"9/11 was in fact....an Attack on Jehovah's Organization!!"
by RagingBull ingood day,.
this week is the super special week of activity with one of our favorite jw celebrities...the circuit overseer!!!.
in last night's talk, he gave sooooo much encouragement...just hearing him made me want to fall to my knees and worship him!
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I wasn't here 9 months ago, so I just saw this post just now. I was at bethel during 9/11 and this story is a complete lie. The Gilead students WERE going to visit the WTC, but were about 30 mins away IN THE CAR when they got a phone call that the planes hit. They turned around and went back to Patterson. I know this because I was friends with several from that class. There was no GB involved whatsoever. they were safe across the river in their huge cushy offices. But of course that story is not as sensational.
Bethel was effected very little. Work was canceled for the day. But there was no attempt to help any sort of rescue. We were told how Gods organization was so amazing because when worldly people entered one of the facilities that day, they were given a bottle of water. That's the extent of how much "we" helped. The very next day, September 12, we were told to use the event in service to draw people to the organization. Even at the time I was very disturbed by the GBs actions on that day. We were also told that this was a worldly problem and we were to be no part of it. Later we were told by Carey Barber that 9/11 would directly lead to Armageddon. There is a little insider false prophecy for you that people that were not at bethel wouldnt know about.
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Greetings! From an Existent JW!
by Ethos ini'd like extend a greeting to all members of jwn.
i've been a lurking by-stander of this forum for approximately 6 months.
i think this forum's best moments can be attributed to the involvement of actual jw's in doctrinaire discussions and to heated (though not always dialectic) debates.
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In case you think that is a misquote, here is the letter that states that merely BELIEVING (or not believing)something different is apostasy:
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Greetings! From an Existent JW!
by Ethos ini'd like extend a greeting to all members of jwn.
i've been a lurking by-stander of this forum for approximately 6 months.
i think this forum's best moments can be attributed to the involvement of actual jw's in doctrinaire discussions and to heated (though not always dialectic) debates.
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Also, Ethos, keep in mind that the elders in Mouthy's case were NOT doing something that would be condemned by the WT. They were actually following instruction.
In a letter to the Circuit Overseers, the Watchtower drove the point home that an "apostate" is not only one that speaks about his disagreements to others. An apostate is one that simply BELIEVES something different than the WT teaches. If this individual is told the "right answer", they are REQUIRED to believe the Watchtower. Otherwise, they are an apostate.
In a 9/1/1980 letter to all CO's and DO's...it said:
"Keep in mind that to be disfellowshipped, an apostate does not have to be a promoter of apostate views. As mentioned in paragraph two, page 17 of the August 1, 1980, Watchtower, "The word 'apostasy' comes from a Greek term that means 'a standing away from,' 'a falling away, defection,' 'rebellion, abandonment. Therefore, if a baptized Christian abandons the teachings of Jehovah, as presented by the faithful and discreet slave, and persists in believing other doctrine despite Scriptural reproof, then he is apostatizing. Extended kindly efforts should be put forth to readjust his thinking. However, if after such extended efforts have been put forth to readjust his thinking, he continues to believe his apostate ideas and rejects what he has been provided through the slave class, then appropriate judicial action should be taken.
So your comment that those 3 elders were not acting in harmony with the Governing Body is actually wrong. They were acting EXACTLY as the GB wanted them to act.
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Greetings! From an Existent JW!
by Ethos ini'd like extend a greeting to all members of jwn.
i've been a lurking by-stander of this forum for approximately 6 months.
i think this forum's best moments can be attributed to the involvement of actual jw's in doctrinaire discussions and to heated (though not always dialectic) debates.
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.I wouldnt say im admitting to judicial failures, I'm simply acknowledging that if such a disfellowshipping transpired it would be unjust and simply wrong.
Hmmm...I think that would be a judicial failure. If a judge condemned you unlawfully...that would be a judicial failure. Since the claim is made that the elders are directed by God's Spirit...and they failed....it would be a judicial failure.
Basically the Judicial Committee system is as unbiblical as you could get. The only thing close to it is the Judicial System that was hastily put into place by the Pharisees on the night that they condemned Jesus.
The BIBLICAL judicial system was to be done in public so as to discourage the elders from doing what they do now. The evidence would be available to anyone that wanted to review the evidence. This whole "No RECORDING!!!" of judicial committees is not biblical. The non allowance of observers or witnesses is not biblical. The secret elders hand book is not biblical. When you get into the policies of the Watchtower, it is EXTREMELY unbiblical. And yet they feel like they can keep saying things like, "EVERYTHING we do is based on the Bible." Or "We have no secret materials for different kinds of members."
I find it interesting when elders are asked about any sort of secret info, they will passionately reply, "NO!!!!" But then when it's discovered that someone knows about the "Shepherd" book...they get immediately defensive.
Our own RayPublisher produced this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=776UyRpno-Q&playnext=1&list=PLC334CA48BA2238F9&feature=results_main
A VERY fair overview about the elders.
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Re-write of history in February 15, 2013 Watchtower
by Black Sheep inhttp://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/5a/w_e_20130215.pdf.
page 4.
5 that privilege became part of our.
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“I will
never forget the tremendous shout and
applause that vibrated through that
meeting place,” recalled one brother.---------------
Just a side point...can you imagine any sort of "shouting" that would accompany any sort of announcement in our day? No, it's become much more legalistic now. There's no sort of freedom. All JWs must sit and act like robots. The most they can do is clap.
Anyone remember how ridiculous it would get on Sundays at the DC? The last talk...The speaker would get excited and keep asking rhetorical questions that were intentionally asked so that the audience would respond with applause? We would clap on every other sentence.
"Brothers, wasn't this a wonderful convention?!?"
"Are we not determined to finish our race in this wicked system of things?!?"
"Are we not thankful that the Governing Body provides us this food at the proper time?!?"
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Greetings! From an Existent JW!
by Ethos ini'd like extend a greeting to all members of jwn.
i've been a lurking by-stander of this forum for approximately 6 months.
i think this forum's best moments can be attributed to the involvement of actual jw's in doctrinaire discussions and to heated (though not always dialectic) debates.
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I've been quiet about this...but I have had a sneaking suspicion that Ethos IS Recovery. I could be wrong. But comparing Recoveries early posts and his initial attempts to be intellectual with his vocabulary...sort of fit. Remember Recovery's misuse of rehotoric? I don't know. I'm interested to see what Ethos has to say about Christian unity, blood, and whatever else he wants to discuss.
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For Ethos: The Basis of Christian Unity
by Londo111 incontinued from: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/241969/3/greetings-from-an-existent-jw.
a repost from re: greetings!
from an existent jw.
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I hope Ethos responds to this...
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I am not so sure about this website
by Iamallcool inhttp://assembly-hall.jehovahswitnessesindiana.com/.
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I'd like whoever designed that site to design one for me! I love the use of multiple fonts and font sizes, strange neon colors, low res photos, and unaligned tables. Nice work!!!
I don't know...it's between the guy that designed that site...or this one: http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/
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For Ethos: The Basis of Christian Unity
by Londo111 incontinued from: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/241969/3/greetings-from-an-existent-jw.
a repost from re: greetings!
from an existent jw.
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Christ Alone
Love is the perfect bond of union, not a long checklist of doctrines a person must adhere to, especially when a doctrine is not directly stated in Scripture, but a matter of interpretation. If you love a person, you accommodate differing viewpoints and interpretations.
That is without a doubt one of the best things I've ever read on JWN.